I had an idea which maybe others with Pico and Terceira ancestors will find helpful.

I am always interested in knowing about all the descendants from these two islands. I enter all families into my genealogy program and link them all together. As you can imagine, finding information about how living people descend from Pico and Terceira ancestors (especially the people living outside of Portugal) is usually too hard to do without the help of those living people. I can't possibly find them all on my own, though I do find many.

So my idea is an exchange of information. You send me the information about anyone who has ancestors from Pico or Terceira and I will verify your information by looking at the church books for the villages in question.

While I am interested in anyone with such ancestors, this offer really targets people who have specific information from these islands, such as specific dates of birth, baptism, marriage and death and have done this research themselves or somehow received it from someone else.

Exactly what I will do is what I have done in my example below. When such and such a person is said to be born on XX date, married on YY date, and died on ZZ date, I will verify this and if the name was wrong or the date was wrong or this record was not for the said person, I will report that, allowing you to do more research and correct it.

I can imagine that some people do their own research and are not always so certain they found the right people or correctly read the dates, and might feel better to have a second opinion, rather than risk researching all the wrong ancestors.

But this does not apply to people who have not done any research and have no dates or anything to verify. Those people can contact me for advise, if necessary, for how to trace their ancestors. Often I can see a surname and make a good guess as to which village they came from (but often the name is too common to do that, like "Manuel Gonçalves"). And you can take a look at the information on my website about the Pico and Terceira Island marriage databases at www.dholmes.com/rocha1.html

What I need from anyone interested in this exchange is the complete link from you to the people you want verified, all dates, locations and names of spouses along the way (basically the Pico and Terceira portion of your family tree).

When I receive that information, I will find spare time to do these verifications. Often they take many hours and so if I get too many at once, I can't cope with them all quickly. I will let you know if that happens. But I will eventually keep my end of the deal and do just what I have done below.

So read on and see what it is I can offer you.

This example comes from a message Ron Graham sent to the Azores List. My comments are in red:

At 0347 PM 7/11/2000 , Ron Graham wrote

> I was born and grew up in Gloucester and lived there many years.  I have quite a few Gloucester ancestors that were from the Azores.

>I will paste in a report of some of them down below.  I would love to hear from you if any of these individuals are familiar.

>Ron Graham

>now living in North Yarmouth, Maine

>Ancestors of Anthony Grace Rose, Jr

>

>Generation No. 1

>

>1. Anthony Grace Rose, Jr, born January 19, 1909 in Gloucester, Mass; died October 18, 1997 in Brackettville, TX. He was the son of 2. Anthony Grace Rose and 3. Mary Laudes Brown. He married (1) Helen Elizabeth Morse Abt. 1934 in Gloucester, Mass. She was born March 13, 1913 in Gloucester, Mass, and died Abt. 1976 in Gloucester, Mass. She was the daughter of Charles Boyton Morse and Helen Mae Elizabeth Woodbury. He married (2) Annie Cico January 17, 1948 in Alvin, TX. She was born in presumed TX possibly Alvin TX.

>

>Generation No. 2

>2. Anthony Grace Rose, born October 05, 1885 in 18 Elwell St - Gloucester, Ma; died May 09, 1938 in Beverly Hospital, Beverly, Essex, Ma. He was the son of 4. Manual G. Rose and 5. Louisa Deas. He married 3. Mary Laudes Brown February 26, 1906 in Lady of Good Voyage Church -Gloucester, Essex County, Mass.

>

>3. Mary Laudes Brown, born September 13, 1887 in Lages, Pico, Azores Island, Portugal; died October 10, 1984 in Greycliff Home - Gloucester, Mass. She was the daughter of 6. Manoel Brum and 7. Mary Enos.

In case you didn't know it, the name "Laudes" is not Portuguese, but I can guess it was originally "Lourdes." And in modern times, the village is spelled "Lajes" (though even today people there spell it the old way like you).

 >Children of Anthony Rose and Mary Brown are

>1 i. Anthony Grace Rose, Jr, born January 19, 1909 in Gloucester, Mass; died October 18, 1997 in Brackettville, TX; married (1) Helen Elizabeth Morse Abt. 1934 in Gloucester, Mass; married (2) Annie Cico January 17, 1948 in Alvin, TX.

>ii. Florence G. Rose, married Thomas Glenn.

>iii. Helen M. Rose, died 1962; married Keating.

>

>Generation No. 3

>4. Manual G. Rose, born Bet. 1849 - 1855 in Azores; died Bet. 1906 - 1938 in Likely Gloucester, Mass. He married 5. Louisa Deas Bef. 1885 in not in Mass between 1866-1885 re Ma Archives.

This is probably just a typo, but in case not, the proper spelling is "Manuel" and most probably his original name was "Manuel Garcia da Rosa" and that name is usually from Pico (though often found on Faial after moving from Pico). I can guess "Deas" and "Dies" are phonetic approximations for "Dias."

 >5. Louisa Deas, born August 08, 1853 in Boston, Mass; died August 19, 1890 in Gloucester, Essex county, Mass. She was the daughter of 10. Joseph Dies and 11. Rose.

Their original names would be José Dias and Rosa.

 >Children of Manual Rose and Louisa Deas are

>2 i. Anthony Grace Rose, born October 05, 1885 in 18 Elwell St - Gloucester, Ma; died May 09, 1938 in Beverly Hospital, Beverly, Essex, Ma; married Mary Laudes Brown February 26, 1906 in Lady of Good Voyage Church -Gloucester, Essex County, Mass.

>ii. Joseph E. Rose, born in in Georgia 1938.

I am supposing he died in the state of Georgia in that year and that you have no date of birth.

>iii. Rose, married Joseph Leo; born in Gloucester, Essex county, Mass.

>6. Manoel Brum, born July 03, 1861 in Lages, Azores, Portugal; died Bef.

The correct date of birth is 13 July 1861. Often people misread "treze" to be "three" instead of "thirteen."

 >1906 in Mass likely, but he was dead at time of daughter's wedding. He was the son of 12. Jose Perreira Domingos and 13. Constainca Conceicao. He married 7. Mary Enos Bef. 1890 in Likely Azores.

At this point, I caution you that you might have traced all the wrong ancestors because the child baptized on that date is the son of João Pereira Domingos & Constancia da Conceição (notice the correct spellings). So if you have information that the father of Manuel Brum was named Jose Pereira Domingos, then you have found the wrong baptism and all the rest is wrong.

>7. Mary Enos, born Bet. 1860 - 1872 in Likely Lages, Azores, Portugal; died Aft. 1906 in Mass likely, And she was alive at her daughter's wedding. She was the daughter of 14. Enos Brown and 15. Katherine.

I guess this person "Enos Brown" was originally named Inácio de Brum or maybe Inácio Castanho (with Brum being the better choice). So I checked my Pico marriage database which is complete for these years in question and there was nobody by either name. And if "Katherine" is Portuguese, her name was originally "Catarina." So unless Mary Enos was born way before 1860, a time when my marriage database is not 100% complete, you can rule out Pico being where her parents married. But if Brum really is the surname origin for this Brown family, Pico is usually the right place, with Faial being a strong 2nd choice.

>Child of Manoel Brum and Mary Enos is

>3 i. Mary Laudes Brown, born September 13, 1887 in Lages, Pico, Azores

The key document you need to resolve this whole question about the ancestry of Mary Enos is this baptism of "Mary Laudes Brown" in Lajes. If correct, you can also assume Enos Brown and Katherine were from Pico and probably Lajes. If so, Enos was probably not his original first name. He might have been something like José Inácio de Brum and dropped his first name (quite abnormal, if so).

>Island, Portugal; died October 10, 1984 in Greycliff Home - Gloucester, Mass; married (1) Anthony Grace Rose February 26, 1906 in Lady of Good Voyage Church -Gloucester, Essex County, Mass; married (2) Manual P. Domingos Aft. 1938.

It seems this Manuel P. (Pereira?) Domingos is a close relative to these others in your line. Do you know more about him?

>Generation No. 4

>10. Joseph Dies, born Bet. 1813 - 1835 in Western Islands. He married 11. Rose.

>11. Rose, born Bet. 1813 - 1835 in Western Islands ??.

>Child of Joseph Dies and Rose is

>5 i. Louisa Deas, born August 08, 1853 in Boston, Mass; died August 19, 1890 in Gloucester, Essex county, Mass; married Manual G. Rose Bef. 1885 in not in Mass between 1866-1885 re Ma Archives.

>12. Jose Perreira Domingos, born October 17, 1804 in Lages, Azores, Portugal. He was the son of Joao Perreira Domingos and Isabel Francisca Dutra. He married 13. Constainca Conceicao March 03, 1857 in Lages, Azores, Portugal.

Again, the marriage which took place on this date was for João Pereira Domingos and Constancia da Conceição. Because it seems João was mistaken for José, it has caused another error by finding the wrong baptism record. The child baptized was indeed José, son of João Pereira Domingos and Isabel Francisca, but the date is again wrong. It is 7 October 1804, not 17. So if the people married in 1857 are really your ancestors, he was João and you must still find his baptism.

>13. Constainca Conceicao, born January 25, 1823 in Lages, Azores, Portugal. She was the daughter of Francisco B. Perreira Dutra and Maria De Conceicao.

The date is correct, but her name is wrongly spelled. It is "Constancia." And her father has no "B." initial in his name. His name is "Francisco Pereira Dutra" and his wife was "Maria da Conceição" (never "de" Conceição). Also note the correct spelling for PEREIRA. It is often corrupted by Americans, but since this person probably never emigrated, you should spell his name properly, whereas if one of his children emigrated and became known in official documents with the corrupted name of PERREIRA, then that would be OK to keep as-is.

 >Children of Jose Domingos and Constainca Conceicao are

>i. Francisco Pereira Domingos, born 1848 in Lages, Azores, Portugal; married Maria de Espirito Santo May 22, 1871 in Lages, Azores, Portugal; born 1849 in Lages, Azores, Portugal.

>ii. Maria Conceicao, born April 10, 1846.

>iii. Constanca Brum, born March 30, 1858 in Lages, Azores, Portugal.

I suppose you have additional information on both Maria and Constança, above, which tells you their complete names. But they were not named that at baptism. Both your dates are correct for them.

 >6 iv. Manoel Brum, born July 03, 1861 in Lages, Azores, Portugal; died Bef. 1906 in Mass likely, but he was dead at time of daughter's wedding; married Mary Enos Bef. 1890 in Likely Azores.

This lack of a marriage record also tells me you might have errored in the name of the father for Manuel Brum, as mentioned above. I suppose you are going on information handed down from family memory. So to be sure these are your ancestors, you must find this marriage or the death records of both Manuel Brum and Mary Enos.

 >14. Enos Brown, born Bet. 1820 - 1854. He married 15. Katherine.

>15. Katherine, born Bet. 1820 - 1854.

>Child of Enos Brown and Katherine is

>7 i. Mary Enos, born Bet. 1860 - 1872 in Likely Lages, Azores, Portugal; died Aft. 1906 in Mass likely, And she was alive at her daughter's wedding; married Manoel Brum Bef. 1890 in Likely Azores.

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